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Post by Emily-Moe on Jul 19, 2005 12:59:15 GMT -5
the one laura posted looks level..is thay just an illusion?
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Post by Gracie on Jul 19, 2005 13:29:43 GMT -5
yeah it does look like hes right at level, i think thats seen a lot in asb cp now tho....makes my true little cp horse that i show look bad lol
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Post by SaddlebredChick08 on Jul 19, 2005 13:49:35 GMT -5
haha yeah me too gracie..its not fair that people ride horses that could EASILY compete in higher divisions and yet they show country pleasure..
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Post by Andy♥ on Jul 19, 2005 14:05:33 GMT -5
yeah it does look like hes right at level, i think thats seen a lot in asb cp now tho....makes my true little cp horse that i show look bad lol I agree it is seen alot now. have you ever been to the kentucky state fair before? Most the horses that show there are way above level. what many people are starting to do is take three gaited horses and teach them to walk grow thier mains and show them in country pleasure so they can win a world championship. In reality the judges are supose to mark horses down that trot above level in country pleasure, but i guess its not that way anymore...
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Post by SaddlebredChick08 on Jul 19, 2005 14:10:24 GMT -5
the rule is that no horse with a cut tail can show in country pleasure but it isnt inforced and thats not fair!! they need to inforce that...
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Post by Andy♥ on Jul 19, 2005 14:13:32 GMT -5
yes i know that rule, but i was also told true country pleasure horses shouldn't trot above level, maybe i'm wrong though...
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Post by SaddlebredChick08 on Jul 19, 2005 14:14:46 GMT -5
im not sure if thats the rule but they SHOULDNT trot leval
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Post by iced on Jul 19, 2005 14:59:56 GMT -5
I don't see what the problem is. The division has certainly evolved from what it was designed to be...but so has the entire PLEASURE division.
There didn't even used to be a country pleasure. Show pleasure was simply "pleasure" and it was a place to exhibit those unsuitable for the three gaited/five gaited/fine harness divisions (there was no park, either).
Show pleasure went through the same evolution that country pleasure is going through now.
In my eyes, if the horse has the talent to set up and trot over level without it, why bog them down with the padded shoes and lead? If your horse isn't talented enough to compete with the flashier horses, don't take it to "A" shows...there's nothing wrong with that! Many areas offer open or "B" shows (or even low-scale "A" shows that don't attract big barns) that better suit those types and are equally as enjoyable to compete at.
In Saddlebreds, country pleasure horses can certainly have a cut tail -- AND they can wear a tailset at home, but may not wear one on the showgrounds. They must be shown unbraced and ungingered, but whether or not it's cut makes absolutely no difference.
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Post by SaddlebredChick08 on Jul 19, 2005 15:06:14 GMT -5
I thought that they werent suppose to have a cut tail thank you iced for correcting me lol i would have never known!
there is no rule that in show pleasure the horse has to have pads and lead. you can show a horse with flat shoes in show pleasure if weight weighs the horse down. I just think its silly to show an awesome horse that could compete in any division in country pleasure.
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Post by iced on Jul 19, 2005 15:11:39 GMT -5
I recognize the reasoning behind the trainers though -- a lot of the horses that "drop down" in the CP division will win, whereas if they drop down in the regular pleasure, they're competing with a ton of horses that have already done the same and completely saturated the division. I'd rather win in country pleasure than place in show pleasure. (Although I'd rather own a show pleasure horse that can win. Complicated, no? ) Adding pads doesn't necessarily add glamour.
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Post by SaddlebredChick08 on Jul 19, 2005 15:55:12 GMT -5
yeah I guess I agree somewhat...its confusing
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Post by Gracie on Jul 19, 2005 17:15:40 GMT -5
iced~ what ur saying makes sense and i do agree with some of it but at a show i was recently watching the horse that won the cp class was nicer and flashier than the horse that won show pleasure and i dont think that thats right.
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Post by iced on Jul 19, 2005 20:40:25 GMT -5
I hear ya, in all actuality I witnessed the same thing at a recent show I spectated at (and it was up in your part of the country, so who knows), but the rest of the country pleasure class after the winner wasn't all that grand to begin with, either. (Nice horses, but won't be winning at Louisville anytime in comparison to the first place horse.) Alas, it isn't often that the pleasure competition is so abysmal...and besides, the mentality I was talking about was more along the lines of trainers with the top quality horses. Although it definately happens with others, too
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Post by LuckyDuckASB on Jul 19, 2005 20:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Gracie on Jul 19, 2005 21:31:37 GMT -5
the link didnt work for me, it says forbidden iced: idk if it was the same show, but in the cp class that i was talking about the winner was very obvious too so wouldnt that be weird if it was the same show....i was trying to scope out bella's competition for show pleasure and the class really let me down so I'll have to be up at a show with some real show pleasure horses.
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